it's intriguing.
it's intriguing that even if i'm a quite big hater of 'stats-first' attitude and evaulation of players,
today i jumped onto this bandwagon.
tonite the suns plays the hawks, and because i had a lot of time (my gal needed to take a nap for
a while), i got a flash to my head, and, all of a sudden, an interesting idea popped out: who's the
best franchise-star ever?
i'm used reading tons articles about basketball - where authors recount about their beloved
teams, how lousy/good/great those times have been and so on.
everybody claims something else, thus i decided to split a knot.
this means i created three categories (regular season, playoffs and overall) and ranked the
stars/franchises during times in which a respective player held a torch.
everyone knows that bird was green, air was red, admiral was white or magic yellow - but which
fans have had the best times following their fave man?
i know that my "creation" is pretty inept and with holes - it examines a player's whole career with
his franchise, so he could have been too young to contribute in the beginning or too old to be the
force in his waning days, i didn't take into consideration a player's health issues, points scored or
whatever, however we gotta face the facts.
(i feel ashamed that my "machine" generates ewing ahead of olajuwon in the 'b' category. but hey, you cannot have
everything!)
i'm just too lazy, so my research includes the superstars since 1980 (1979-80) - i immensely
wanted to have at least the evaluation of the magic-larry duo/era (note: you know, when i think
about it, i'll demand some grant from european union. my back and eyes suck).
the first condition were at least seven seasons of playing (and being the best hoopster, although
this is sometimes very misty) for one team.
that's a span which i regard as worthy of franchise-star label.
as i wrote, the research is since '80, for example george gervin is ineligible because he was a
1976-1985 member of the spurs.
i'm sorry, iceman.
i calculated an average of player's respective seasons, e.g. barkley, 8 seasons, .565 avg, then in
the 'b' - his playoff rating number (see the chart below), then i combined it in 'c'.
whether i did a successful or at least honorable job, judge it by yourself.
hopefully, somebody will be pleased.
(i wait a full mailbox of insults from the rockets fans - that 'dream' thing is killing me hard.
but to ditch this work?
are ya kiddin' me?!!)
this isn't to tell who's been the best or who could/would/should outplay whom - this is how they
led their teams and cities in their long stints.
some superstars just haven't had the opportunity to play somewhere so long (moses malone).
the list may be incomplete, but i tried to throw in everybody who was possible.
(well, i have an incentive to blog about dennis rodman, i just can't forget his green hairdo plus
white spurs uniform.
everytime i saw him balling - i went bonkers.
if larry the legend was an apostle of basketball jesus, rodman was a devil.
but this isn't supposed to be a blog about the worm.
the end.)
well, perhaps i'll become a noted statistician.
i'm frightened!
btw, only fyi, my math is .979 at best.
i wait for some feedback, nothing's better than "gotta love this stuff" mail and nothing's more
enthralling than "you biased lame duck" one.
chill out!
a. the best percentage (regular season)*
1 magic johnson LAKERS /79-91, 95-96/ .717**
2 tim duncan SPURS /97-06/ .710***
3 larry bird CELTICS /79-92/ .701
4 shaq o'neal LAKERS /96-04/ .693****
5 julius erving SIXERS /79-87 (since 76)/ .690
6 michael jordan BULLS /84-93, 95-98/ .666
7 david robinson SPURS /89-03/ .652***
8 karl malone JAZZ/ 85-03/ .642****
9 kevin johnson SUNS /88-00/ .638
10 sidney moncrief BUCKS /79-89/ .636
11 dirk nowitzki MAVS /98-06/ .626
12 gary payton SONICS /90-03/ .619
13 alonzo mourning HEAT /95-02, 05-06/ .613
14 hakeem olajuwon ROCKETS /84-01/ .575
15 isiah thomas PISTONS /81-94/ .565
16 charles barkley SIXERS /84-92/ .565
17 reggie miller PACERS /87-05/ .558
18 patrick ewing KNICKS /85-00/ .557
19 clyde drexler BLAZERS /83-95/ .551
20 dominique wilkins HAWKS /82-93/ .544
21 kevin garnett WOLVES /95-06/ .537
22 walter davis SUNS /79-88 (since 77)/ .520
23 alex english NUGGETS /80-91/ .516
24 allen iverson SIXERS /96-06/ .498
25 chris mullin WAR'RS /85-97/ .454
26 paul pierce CELTICS /98-06/ .471
27 mitch richmond KINGS /91-00/ .419
28 adrian dantley JAZZ /79-86/ .409
* at least 7 seasons with the same team, since 1979-1980 season
** no. / franchise star / team / years / percentage
*** as of this ranking, just these 2 franchise stars have played the most yrs together (97-03)
**** due to a bigger 'star status', o'neal & malone are in, with a big excuse to bryant & stockton
here are historic star players# who have played on the teams together with a franchise star (yrs
in the brackets):
magic johnson LAKERS abdul-jabbar (75-89), worthy (82-94), mcadoo (81-85),
nixon (77-83)
tim duncan SPURS d-robinson (89-03)
larry bird CELTICS mchale (80-93), parish (80-94), d-johnson (83-90), cowens (70- 80), gilmore (88), maravich (80), walton (85-87)
shaq o'neal LAKERS bryant (96-06), rodman (99)
julius erving SIXERS barkley (84-92), cheeks (78-89), b-jones (78-86),
m-malone (82-86), mcadoo (85-86)
michael jordan BULLS pippen (87-98), gervin (85-86), gilmore (87), parish (96-97),
rodman (95-98)
david robinson SPURS duncan (97-06), cheeks (89-90), cummings (89-95),
m-malone (94-95), rodman (93-95), wilkins (96-97)
karl malone JAZZ chambers (93-95)
kevin johnson SUNS barkley (92-96), chambers (88-93), kidd (96-01)
sidney moncrief BUCKS archibald (83-84), cowens (82-83), cummings (84-89),
dandridge (81-82), lanier (80-84)
dirk nowitzki MAVS rodman (99-00)
gary payton SONICS cummings (96-97), ewing (00-01)
alonzo mourning HEAT s-o'neal (05-06)
hakeem olajuwon ROCKETS barkley (96-00), drexler (95-98), pippen (99)
isiah thomas PISTONS rodman (86-93), dumars (85-99), laimbeer (82-94), aguirre (89- 93), dantley (86-89)
charles barkley SIXERS erving (76-87), cheeks (78-89), b-jones (78-86), mcadoo (85- 86)
reggie miller PACERS mullin (97-00)
patrick ewing KNICKS cheeks (90), cummings (98), king (82-87)
clyde drexler BLAZERS
dominique wilkins HAWKS m-malone (88-91), moncrief (90-91), g-williams (86-87)
kevin garnett WOLVES
walter davis SUNS
alex english NUGGETS issel (75-85), thompson (76-82)
allen iverson SIXERS chambers (97-98), cummings (97-98)
chris mullin WARRIORS
paul pierce CELTICS
mitch richmond KINGS
adrian dantley JAZZ
# i couldn't write all stars - sorry for some omissions (in fact, all these stars are from ken
shouler's list of 100 greatest nba players of all time) and sorry that , for example, pippen, mchale
or worthy have to be "only" a sidekicks of their franchise players, not to mention the magic-abdul
jabbar dilemma, but magic has an edge; current young stars (like wade in miami) are not
included.
b. the best playoffs rating~
1 m-johnson LAKERS 4,08
2 s-o'neal LAKERS 3,88
3 jordan BULLS 3,77
4 duncan SPURS 3,33
5 bird CELTICS 3,31
6 erving SIXERS 3,00
7 d-robinson SPURS 2,29
8 moncrief BUCKS 2,20
9 i-thomas PISTONS 2,08
10 ewing KNICKS 2,00
11 k-johnson SUNS 1,92
12 k-malone JAZZ 1,88
13 olajuwon ROCKETS 1,88
14 mourning HEAT 1,88
15 nowitzki MAVS 1,75
16 drexler BLAZERS 1,66
17 r-miller PACERS 1,61
18 payton SONICS 1,38
19 barkley SIXERS 1,38
20 english NUGGETS 1,27
21 w-davis SUNS 1,22
22 iverson SIXERS 1,20
23 wilkins HAWKS 1,00
24 garnett WOLVES 0,91
25 pierce CELTICS 0,88
26 dantley JAZZ 0,71
27 mullin WAR'RS 0,66
28 richmond KINGS 0,44
~ points:
non-playoffs 0
first round 1
conference semis 2
conference finals 3
nba finals 4
nba champion 6
c. the best franchise stars (^ combined numbers from a & b):
1 m-johnson 2^
2 s-o'neal 6
3 duncan 6
4 bird 8
5 jordan 9
6 erving 11
7 d-robinson 14
8 moncrief 18
9 k-johnson 20
10 k-malone 20
11 nowitzki 26
12 i-thomas 24
13 mourning 27
14 olajuwon 27
15 ewing 28
16 payton 30
17 r-miller 34
18 barkley 35
19 drexler 35
20 wilkins 43
21 w-davis 43
22 english 43
23 garnett 45
24 iverson 46
25 pierce 51
26 mullin 52
27 dantley 54
28 richmond 55
d. magic johnson's career, la lakers (1979-91, 95-96)
79-80 .732 6
80-81 .659 1
81-82 .695 6
82-83 .707 4
83-84 .659 4
84-85 .756 6
85-86 .756 3
86-87 .793 6
87-88 .756 6
88-89 .695 4
89-90 .768 2
90-91 .707 4
95-96 .646 1
p.s.: if stephen jackson were to average 36 points per game for the duration, then the warriors
pulled off the biggest heist since the brinks robbery.
perhaps he'd do just that if golden state only played indiana. (-charley rosen)
p.s.2: *all you guys can do is play video games and watch porn movies,* said phil jackson to the
lakers.
p.s.3: gerald green - like al jefferson and kendrick perkins - spent less time in college than kevin
federline. (-randy hill)
p.s.4: chris kaman represents $52m worth of nothing. (-charley rosen)
p.s.5: darrell armstrong is spectacular.
he's 38, 6'1", but he still can dunk and BLOCK FROM BEHIND!!
Posted by Foreigner in CS - Feb 9 2007 5:44PM
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